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So, that kind of solves that dilemna. I have been watching the Tornado Chasers webisodes and debating whether or not to just go ahead and vid out my ridiculous crush on Reed Timmer (and his dog), because seriously...I have been having a crappy, crappy couple of weeks and the dude has been making me laugh when nothing else does which is priceless right now(also, bonus if I did I'd be able to include Chris making the Best Faces Ever, which I had to leave out of the other vid when I had to cut the teams for space). But. But. The site TOS is dead clear that it includes non-commercial use of the footage on it's no-no list.
And, like, I absolutely 100 percent believe in the legal arguments in favor of vidding as fair use and transformative blah, blah. That is an argument I will throw down on in principle? And were it a major network or whatever I'd be all 'come at me, bro'. I have literally zero qualms about using Storm Chasers footage. Zero. But I wouldn't want to make it with just the Discovery channel footage. And the question of whether or not I want to have that argument with a bunch of dudes just trying to make a living doing what they love...nah, I really don't. Particularly if the motivation to vid is because they make me happy, and making them unhappy is kind of counterproductive, and not a very nice way to pay back the joy I have gotten?
Real people are tricky, I guess. Which sort of leads me into a thing I had been contemplating doing anyway, but I wonder if there's any interest? I was sort of considering proposing a Vividcon panel on vidding reality tv and RPF from aspects of both the technical and ethical challenges it can bring. What do y'all think?
And, like, I absolutely 100 percent believe in the legal arguments in favor of vidding as fair use and transformative blah, blah. That is an argument I will throw down on in principle? And were it a major network or whatever I'd be all 'come at me, bro'. I have literally zero qualms about using Storm Chasers footage. Zero. But I wouldn't want to make it with just the Discovery channel footage. And the question of whether or not I want to have that argument with a bunch of dudes just trying to make a living doing what they love...nah, I really don't. Particularly if the motivation to vid is because they make me happy, and making them unhappy is kind of counterproductive, and not a very nice way to pay back the joy I have gotten?
Real people are tricky, I guess. Which sort of leads me into a thing I had been contemplating doing anyway, but I wonder if there's any interest? I was sort of considering proposing a Vividcon panel on vidding reality tv and RPF from aspects of both the technical and ethical challenges it can bring. What do y'all think?
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If I wanted to make a non-commercial tribute, I would contact Reed and ask permission, and give him the opportunity to use it when it's finished. Didn't they kinda just make their own fanvid recently? Not sure they'd go for Reed + Gizmo 4 Evah! But I reckon he'd go for something storm focussed. I reckon he'd LOVE "I Wanna Rock."
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Ahahahahahaha, no. Given the vid in question would be more of the LET ME PASTE PINK SPARKLY HEARTS ON YOU (PROBABLY LITERAL PINK SPARKLY HEARTS) BECAUSE RIDICULOUS CRUSH, CRUSH, HERE IS MY CRUSH than anything else? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. That would cross the line from ridiculous fun to deeply humiliating and probably creepy fast. I mean, how would one even ask for permission for something like that?
"Dear sir, your face makes me stupidly happy and I would like to share my flailing love for it with the world. And your dog. PS restraining orders can be sent to the following address."
I Wanna Rock is a completely different kettle of fish, not just because it only uses Discovery Network footage.
I do think there is still a strong legal argument for using something like the webisodes/youtube footage in the context of this potential vid that will never exist...BUT...not a moral or ethical one, given the subject matter and since is their main source of income and they feel even non-commercial use would threaten that via the TOS.
I think it wouldn't, and that it would be highly unlikely they'd even stumble across it in the first place (or I'd really hope they wouldn't and would attempt to avoid that like the plague because I'd have to crawl under a rock for the next ten years, see above re: dear sir). But even the off chance it would get back round to them...no, I'm not in the business of distressing people I like On Principle.
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But yeah, what I was trying to say, whether successfully or not, was that morally I wouldn't contravene the TOS given the circumstances, even if the legal argument still supported me.
So, yes, agreeing with you totally. And maybe considering asking Reed if he'd like me to be his official trailer maker ;o)
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I tossed that out into the world without a moment's care and wherever the wind (heh, see what I did there?) takes it is fine with me. I probably still wouldn't do another 'cool storms, cool dudes chasing them' vid that I felt obligated to actively ask about though, not cause of shame but because anxiety.
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*peers longingly at allllll the footage and whimpers a little*
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And also, the technical and artistic challenges as WELL. Because you're dealing with footage that is...well, not always exactly ideal in translating to vid form, and tricky to cut.